Is there a rollout schedule posted somewhere for the rest of the transatlantic flights? United has such a plan posted on their web site, although they are really slow with the implementation (UA’s new flat seats are great, the old biz seats are scary-80s, just a shade better than coach). You can also check which routes have the new seats.
The old cradle-style Business Elite seats just are not very comfortable for sleeping and they are no longer competitive with other airlines serving the transatlantic routes for similar prices (like AF, KL, LH, BA). DL’s food and wine are great, significantly improved over the last 18 months. But if I’m tired due to lack of sleep when I arrive and go to my European office, it sort of negates the productivity benefit that presumably is factored in the corporate travel office’s ROI for business over coach.
Hopefully you have good news that these seats will appear on other routes soon.
I just ticketed a December flight from ATL to CDG, and then back from CDG direct to CVG.
It’s my first foray in a long time going East, and in looking for aircraft and seating arrangements (I’m particular, way too much time in the air not to be…) I started reading about the Lie Flat seat transition.
I’m hoping that by the first week of December perhaps Delta will have some of the 767-400′s to CDG outfitted with the new seating.
Question to Delta: Any updates re upgrades to flights other than to LHR??
When can we expect flat bed seats to Asia? I fly to Narita for connections elsewhere in Asia about a dozen times a year. Have been using Korean Air for most of my flights (going through Seoul) because they have a flat bed product on that route. Would love to get back to Northwest/Delta for these trips if flat bed seats are installed. Will it happen? Any idea when? Thanks.
Maybe the video doesn’t do the new seats justice, but they just don’t look all that comfortable. It appears as though the passenger slides down/forward, almost like you’re being put in a coffin. How easy is it for the passenger to get up from the seat when in a full-flat position?
I have flown United’s new lie-flat biz class seat on both the 747-400 and 767-300. Though narrow, it is comfortable. United also appears to have larger video screens than DL (UA’s screens are approx. 15″ diameter). A downside to United’s configuration on the 767 is that it is 2 x 2 x2. If you’re in the window seat reaching the aisle is difficult if the passenger who is actually in the aisle seat is fully reclined.
It looks like this new seat was developed by Delta’s Revenue Management department, rather than Marketing or in-flight. I really like flying Delta, but this just doesn’t seem compelling enough to get me to switch.
With the termination of the CVG-LGW route, leaving only the ATL-LGW route at LGW, are there any plans to move the remaining ATL flight to LHR (as the second daily ATL-LHR flight) and use a flat bed 767-400? If my calculations are correct there should be sufficient aircraft and a landing slot at LHR available from NWA’s old SEA-LHR routing that doesn’t appear to have been replaced. Really hope so, as connections can be a problem with DL 9 and 10.
As Chris B mentioned, the seats are actually wider than the cradle seat that they replaced. While I’m sure no seat is perfect, we think this one strikes the right balance – it is 180-degrees full flat (the video may not look perfectly flat, because it was shot on a real airplane but on the ground. Since the 767 flies at a 3-degree angle, the seats are set to account for that).
In addition, each and every seat has direct aisle access – so no more gymnastics to get to the aisle. Just stand up and you’re in the aisle.
I’ve flown the JFK-LHR route many times on the new plane and have to say it’s a big improvement over the old cradle seat. Take note of the tip and reserve a seat along the window, they are slightly bigger, but it makes a difference. Having also flown the LAX-SYD trip this summer, I have to say I like the 767-400 seat better.